Task Killers – Helping or Hurting?

Posted on Aug 2 2010 - 1:07pm by Kyle
By Russell H. Sr. Editor TDG Online
This is, hands down, the most commonly held conversation I have with any new, current, or prospective Android user since the G1. It has occupied space on every forum I have ever been to, and continues to be a staple conversation in the community. So here we go, I am going to do my best to answer this question here and now; Are Task Killing apps helping or hurting our phones?

Task Killers were amongst the first 5,000 apps in the Market, and can be seen in the form of dozens now, all claiming differences in performance and functionality. The basic concept is the same for all of them, being that a list is shows with how much memory each running app is using and a big button to “kill” the running app, in order to free up space to make everything else run faster. The applications do perform this job. The app is halted and memory is freed. For a moment or two anyways. Android was built to handle multi-tasking intelligently, and part of this is resource resolution. I look to Android Engineer Dianne Hackborne for backup.

Applications may seem present to the user without an actual process currently running the app; multiple applications may share processes, or one application may make use of multiple processes depending on its needs; the process(es) of an application may be kept around by Android even when that application is not actively doing something.


So when you kill an application, you are killing all related services, even if those services are being used to help other applications. So, for example, you are trying to download a movie, and you decide the app controlling the download needs more memory, so you kill any apps you arent using. It’s possible that, all of a sudden, you will nolonger be downloading your movie, because you unknowingly killed a process handling that download. Make sense?

Before you go there, I know. You have been in the IT field since the lightbulb and you know what tasks you are killing and you know that they are helping and you have never had a problem. Sure, I will admit that if you know exactly what you are doing, and you are just that starved for resources, you can use a Task Killer for some momentary relief of memory. This would be very helpful for someone who felt they required that level of control, except Android already does that. Here’s the application life cycle chart!



See? Android already has things built into the life cycle of every application that monitors for whether or not an app needs more memory, and is already prepared to handle any apps not in use. Additionally, applications that are considered “critical” like the Phone app (you do remember that these things make calls right?) will suspend all activity, granting priority to that application. With this evidence, plus the thousands that I have seen who claim that their phones run faster without Task Killers than with them, I feel confident in saying that Task Killing applications can often be more harmful than useful, and I recommend not installing them at all. If you already have one installed, uninstall it for a week, and if what I am saying here is not helpful, write me and let me know! You can always find me at www.twitter.com/thedroidguy

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  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13432409471898633591 J Dizzle

    Awesome! I usually use the example of thinking of it like playing back a program on a dvr. If you need to go out of the room you just pause the program, walk out of the room and go about your business. When you come back, press play and your program picks right back where it left off. It's similar to what happens when you switch apps on android, the app pauses and resumes when you want to continue with it. I agree if you know what you are doing, it can benefit you for a moment, but with android being the fastest growing mobile platform out there, we get a lot of noobs who don't know what they are doing, then think android is broke when they stop receiving emails because they stopped the mail service.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13432409471898633591 J Dizzle

    Awesome! I usually use the example of thinking of it like playing back a program on a dvr. If you need to go out of the room you just pause the program, walk out of the room and go about your business. When you come back, press play and your program picks right back where it left off. It's similar to what happens when you switch apps on android, the app pauses and resumes when you want to continue with it. I agree if you know what you are doing, it can benefit you for a moment, but with android being the fastest growing mobile platform out there, we get a lot of noobs who don't know what they are doing, then think android is broke when they stop receiving emails because they stopped the mail service.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13432409471898633591 J Dizzle

    Awesome! I usually use the example of thinking of it like playing back a program on a dvr. If you need to go out of the room you just pause the program, walk out of the room and go about your business. When you come back, press play and your program picks right back where it left off. It's similar to what happens when you switch apps on android, the app pauses and resumes when you want to continue with it. I agree if you know what you are doing, it can benefit you for a moment, but with android being the fastest growing mobile platform out there, we get a lot of noobs who don't know what they are doing, then think android is broke when they stop receiving emails because they stopped the mail service.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/02012836336979144057 Stella

    I'm going to take this challenge of no Task Killing app for a week to see if it makes a difference. BTW, I use Advanced Task Killer since I've had a G1 and now I have a Samsung Vibrant.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/02012836336979144057 Stella

    I'm going to take this challenge of no Task Killing app for a week to see if it makes a difference. BTW, I use Advanced Task Killer since I've had a G1 and now I have a Samsung Vibrant.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/02012836336979144057 Stella

    I'm going to take this challenge of no Task Killing app for a week to see if it makes a difference. BTW, I use Advanced Task Killer since I've had a G1 and now I have a Samsung Vibrant.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09663311678242809979 korn74

    Im also going to give it a try for a week.Im using Automatic Task Killer on my Samsung Galaxy S.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09663311678242809979 korn74

    Im also going to give it a try for a week.Im using Automatic Task Killer on my Samsung Galaxy S.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09663311678242809979 korn74

    Im also going to give it a try for a week.
    Im using Automatic Task Killer on my Samsung Galaxy S.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/18043032468436393210 Romius T.

    you have convinced me not to download one.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/18043032468436393210 Romius T.

    you have convinced me not to download one.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/18043032468436393210 Romius T.

    you have convinced me not to download one.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04098079232196938524 leah

    I find my task killer useful sometimes when I end up with an app that won't close like…the vuvuzela app that kept going off!! And sometimes my alarm won't turn off. I don't know why. So if your app is frozen and it's making some sort of annoying sound (alarm or vuvuzela), a task killer is VERY helpful so you don't have to turn off your phone :)

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04098079232196938524 leah

    I find my task killer useful sometimes when I end up with an app that won't close like…the vuvuzela app that kept going off!! And sometimes my alarm won't turn off. I don't know why. So if your app is frozen and it's making some sort of annoying sound (alarm or vuvuzela), a task killer is VERY helpful so you don't have to turn off your phone :)

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04098079232196938524 leah

    I find my task killer useful sometimes when I end up with an app that won't close like…

    the vuvuzela app that kept going off!!

    And sometimes my alarm won't turn off. I don't know why. So if your app is frozen and it's making some sort of annoying sound (alarm or vuvuzela), a task killer is VERY helpful so you don't have to turn off your phone :)

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13432409471898633591 J Dizzle

    But leah, why use a task killer when Android has the option built in to force stop an app like that? It's under settings>applications>manage applications

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13432409471898633591 J Dizzle

    But leah, why use a task killer when Android has the option built in to force stop an app like that? It's under settings>applications>manage applications

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13432409471898633591 J Dizzle

    But leah, why use a task killer when Android has the option built in to force stop an app like that? It's under settings>applications>manage applications

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/17908655094285311108 The Brown Welsh

    Im an ex winmo fanatic, and these things were key back in the day. Out of habit I got one and its like a crutch.Im using this week to see if its just my imagination.And honestly, Im surprised theres so many n00b issues. Task Killers seem to be pretty expressive about "Dont kill key programs!" and the like.(Task Panel, my fav)

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/17908655094285311108 The Brown Welsh

    Im an ex winmo fanatic, and these things were key back in the day. Out of habit I got one and its like a crutch.Im using this week to see if its just my imagination.And honestly, Im surprised theres so many n00b issues. Task Killers seem to be pretty expressive about "Dont kill key programs!" and the like.(Task Panel, my fav)

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/17908655094285311108 The Brown Welsh

    Im an ex winmo fanatic, and these things were key back in the day. Out of habit I got one and its like a crutch.

    Im using this week to see if its just my imagination.

    And honestly, Im surprised theres so many n00b issues. Task Killers seem to be pretty expressive about "Dont kill key programs!" and the like.

    (Task Panel, my fav)

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13901947447489959756 Austin

    I have to disagree. The purpose behind killing tasks is to prevent background processor usage. I couldn't care less about the memory usage. I use automatic task killer to auto kill every task I don't want running. Of course things I do want running in the background, continue to run. It gives me more control over my phone and it's performance.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13901947447489959756 Austin

    I have to disagree. The purpose behind killing tasks is to prevent background processor usage. I couldn't care less about the memory usage. I use automatic task killer to auto kill every task I don't want running. Of course things I do want running in the background, continue to run. It gives me more control over my phone and it's performance.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13901947447489959756 Austin

    I have to disagree. The purpose behind killing tasks is to prevent background processor usage. I couldn't care less about the memory usage. I use automatic task killer to auto kill every task I don't want running. Of course things I do want running in the background, continue to run. It gives me more control over my phone and it's performance.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09467109238514108932 bloqhead

    I was using one a while back but found that they really do absolutely nothing. I never ran into an issue where other apps suffered, but it would sometimes make the phone act a little off for a few seconds. I quit using them altogether a few months ago and the phone has been fine. I'm using a rooted G1 that screams in the speed department.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/12558938893525864288 bsp120167

    I use task killers more for battery preservation. Memory never seems an issue but android battery life is terrible.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09467109238514108932 bloqhead

    I was using one a while back but found that they really do absolutely nothing. I never ran into an issue where other apps suffered, but it would sometimes make the phone act a little off for a few seconds. I quit using them altogether a few months ago and the phone has been fine. I'm using a rooted G1 that screams in the speed department.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/12558938893525864288 bsp120167

    I use task killers more for battery preservation. Memory never seems an issue but android battery life is terrible.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/12558938893525864288 bsp120167

    I use task killers more for battery preservation. Memory never seems an issue but android battery life is terrible.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09467109238514108932 bloqhead

    I was using one a while back but found that they really do absolutely nothing. I never ran into an issue where other apps suffered, but it would sometimes make the phone act a little off for a few seconds. I quit using them altogether a few months ago and the phone has been fine. I'm using a rooted G1 that screams in the speed department.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09786930907907699996 lukic

    this is so true. i was using task killers on my old symbian phone and when i bought my first android phone the firstthing i have installed was a task killer. on the first morning alarm didn't ring and i didn't got up in time. i thought it's a bug but what i didn't know is that i killed alarm process before i went to sleep. than i read similar article while i was searching to see what is wrong with alarm and then i uninstalledtask killer, rebooted and i don't use them for months now. my phone works great now and i never got late again.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09786930907907699996 lukic

    this is so true. i was using task killers on my old symbian phone and when i bought my first android phone the firstthing i have installed was a task killer. on the first morning alarm didn't ring and i didn't got up in time. i thought it's a bug but what i didn't know is that i killed alarm process before i went to sleep. than i read similar article while i was searching to see what is wrong with alarm and then i uninstalledtask killer, rebooted and i don't use them for months now. my phone works great now and i never got late again.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09786930907907699996 lukic

    this is so true. i was using task killers on my old symbian phone and when i bought my first android phone the firstthing i have installed was a task killer. on the first morning alarm didn't ring and i didn't got up in time. i thought it's a bug but what i didn't know is that i killed alarm process before i went to sleep. than i read similar article while i was searching to see what is wrong with alarm and then i uninstalledtask killer, rebooted and i don't use them for months now. my phone works great now and i never got late again.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/10352817323795838641 David LaCivita

    I have been running my N1 on Cyanogen since CM506. The switch from stock 2.1 to CM like VHS to DVD. CM was so quick and responsive I took the one week challenge w/o a task killer and found no loss in performance. I can't say I saw an improvement but I had read a number of similar posts at android community forums and decided to not look back. Today I am on CM6RC2 (No nightlies) and the only tweak I use is the app "AutoKiller" and I leave that set on "moderate." I don't know if that counts as an app killer or not but starting today I will reset it to "system default" and see what happens.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/10352817323795838641 David LaCivita

    I have been running my N1 on Cyanogen since CM506. The switch from stock 2.1 to CM like VHS to DVD. CM was so quick and responsive I took the one week challenge w/o a task killer and found no loss in performance. I can't say I saw an improvement but I had read a number of similar posts at android community forums and decided to not look back. Today I am on CM6RC2 (No nightlies) and the only tweak I use is the app "AutoKiller" and I leave that set on "moderate." I don't know if that counts as an app killer or not but starting today I will reset it to "system default" and see what happens.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/10352817323795838641 David LaCivita

    I have been running my N1 on Cyanogen since CM506. The switch from stock 2.1 to CM like VHS to DVD. CM was so quick and responsive I took the one week challenge w/o a task killer and found no loss in performance. I can't say I saw an improvement but I had read a number of similar posts at android community forums and decided to not look back. Today I am on CM6RC2 (No nightlies) and the only tweak I use is the app "AutoKiller" and I leave that set on "moderate." I don't know if that counts as an app killer or not but starting today I will reset it to "system default" and see what happens.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/08923483531391446426 M@thew Jones

    I stopped using task killers a long time ago in favor of the apps that let you change the thresholds of the built in mem managment framework and I haven't looked backBhang

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/08923483531391446426 M@thew Jones

    I stopped using task killers a long time ago in favor of the apps that let you change the thresholds of the built in mem managment framework and I haven't looked backBhang

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/08923483531391446426 M@thew Jones

    I stopped using task killers a long time ago in favor of the apps that let you change the thresholds of the built in mem managment framework and I haven't looked back

    Bhang

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13901947447489959756 Austin

    From reading these, it seems that most problems come from improper use of the task killers, not the task killers themselves.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13901947447489959756 Austin

    From reading these, it seems that most problems come from improper use of the task killers, not the task killers themselves.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13901947447489959756 Austin

    From reading these, it seems that most problems come from improper use of the task killers, not the task killers themselves.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/06924374080638524966 Zanshin

    I'm the developer of an android app called Wifi Fixer. The app depends on a service to do its work.The single biggest problem I have is automatic task killers nuking the service. Over half the logs I get show the ondestroy event firing constantly. I warn about the use of task killers, but very few people read the in-app docs.Not following application lifecycle not only affects legitimate apps, it also fragments memory and slows performance because bytecode is flushed from the cache.Let the optimized memory handling written and tuned by some very smart people do its job.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/06924374080638524966 Zanshin

    I'm the developer of an android app called Wifi Fixer. The app depends on a service to do its work.The single biggest problem I have is automatic task killers nuking the service. Over half the logs I get show the ondestroy event firing constantly. I warn about the use of task killers, but very few people read the in-app docs.Not following application lifecycle not only affects legitimate apps, it also fragments memory and slows performance because bytecode is flushed from the cache.Let the optimized memory handling written and tuned by some very smart people do its job.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/06924374080638524966 Zanshin

    I'm the developer of an android app called Wifi Fixer. The app depends on a service to do its work.

    The single biggest problem I have is automatic task killers nuking the service. Over half the logs I get show the ondestroy event firing constantly.

    I warn about the use of task killers, but very few people read the in-app docs.

    Not following application lifecycle not only affects legitimate apps, it also fragments memory and slows performance because bytecode is flushed from the cache.

    Let the optimized memory handling written and tuned by some very smart people do its job.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/06924374080638524966 Zanshin

    There are some badly written apps that keep services running in the background or at boot unnecessarily. Uninstall the apps.Don't break the system with a task killer or boot editor.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/06924374080638524966 Zanshin

    There are some badly written apps that keep services running in the background or at boot unnecessarily. Uninstall the apps.Don't break the system with a task killer or boot editor.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/06924374080638524966 Zanshin

    There are some badly written apps that keep services running in the background or at boot unnecessarily.

    Uninstall the apps.

    Don't break the system with a task killer or boot editor.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04875768079084219347 Nick Adams

    I turned off my task killer for a day and used my phone exactly as I always do. By battery life plummeted. Task killers DO have a use. Maybe if all if Sprint's bloatware didn't constantly start itself in the background I wouldn't need one, but for now, it helps.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04875768079084219347 Nick Adams

    I turned off my task killer for a day and used my phone exactly as I always do. By battery life plummeted. Task killers DO have a use. Maybe if all if Sprint's bloatware didn't constantly start itself in the background I wouldn't need one, but for now, it helps.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04875768079084219347 Nick Adams

    I turned off my task killer for a day and used my phone exactly as I always do. By battery life plummeted. Task killers DO have a use. Maybe if all if Sprint's bloatware didn't constantly start itself in the background I wouldn't need one, but for now, it helps.

  • Jonathan

    Alright, I believe you. I'll give it a week and see how it goes. Uninstalling in 2 minutes. Thanks!

  • Jonathan

    Alright, I believe you. I'll give it a week and see how it goes. Uninstalling in 2 minutes. Thanks!

  • Jonathan

    Alright, I believe you. I'll give it a week and see how it goes. Uninstalling in 2 minutes. Thanks!

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13470260513061890115 NP

    Agree when it comes to freeing memory that task killers are useless. However the main issue most of us find continual use of them is to put it mildly, shitty background process use in some apps. Every app that uses background processes or services should let me shut off auto refresh or push and let me do things manually.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13470260513061890115 NP

    Agree when it comes to freeing memory that task killers are useless. However the main issue most of us find continual use of them is to put it mildly, shitty background process use in some apps. Every app that uses background processes or services should let me shut off auto refresh or push and let me do things manually.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/13470260513061890115 NP

    Agree when it comes to freeing memory that task killers are useless. However the main issue most of us find continual use of them is to put it mildly, shitty background process use in some apps. Every app that uses background processes or services should let me shut off auto refresh or push and let me do things manually.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04930306017696519745 Jaime

    I agree completely with the article.. it’s similar to the iisresets and hard shutdowns tech support sometimes use to “fix” problems… I’ve always said as an IT Professional that if the computer or phone has problems it’s most likely related to a given app which is not behaving properly, therefore the method I recommend is to uninstall the culprit app if you can afford it.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04930306017696519745 Jaime

    I agree completely with the article.. it’s similar to the iisresets and hard shutdowns tech support sometimes use to “fix” problems… I’ve always said as an IT Professional that if the computer or phone has problems it’s most likely related to a given app which is not behaving properly, therefore the method I recommend is to uninstall the culprit app if you can afford it.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04930306017696519745 Jaime

    I agree completely with the article.. it’s similar to the iisresets and hard shutdowns tech support sometimes use to “fix” problems… I’ve always said as an IT Professional that if the computer or phone has problems it’s most likely related to a given app which is not behaving properly, therefore the method I recommend is to uninstall the culprit app if you can afford it.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/16685482432574127142 Bryon

    Great article, very true and informative. It seems the Task Killers are the placebo of slow phones.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/16685482432574127142 Bryon

    Great article, very true and informative. It seems the Task Killers are the placebo of slow phones.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/16685482432574127142 Bryon

    Great article, very true and informative. It seems the Task Killers are the placebo of slow phones.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/10944657059384947898 sean

    I use for Battery life only…poweruser…200+ apps , without an autokiller id need my n1 plugged in 24/7

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/10944657059384947898 sean

    I use for Battery life only…poweruser…200+ apps , without an autokiller id need my n1 plugged in 24/7

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/10944657059384947898 sean

    I use for Battery life only…poweruser…200+ apps , without an autokiller id need my n1 plugged in 24/7

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/sleepykit sleepykit

    My problem with not using a task killer is that some applications don't really have an exit button. And I'm not even talking about 3-rd party ones, either. Browser, Camera, and Maps are perfect examples of apps where I want to be able to close them and have the process (unless it's in use by something else) to close and go away. In browser, the only way to do this is to press back through however many pages I've surfed, and who in their right mind would want to do that? Same for camera (only 4 presses usually) and Maps (4 also). Why? Give me a sane button to close an app out when I'm done with it and conserve battery power. Forget memory. I want the phone to last a little while…

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/sleepykit sleepykit

    My problem with not using a task killer is that some applications don't really have an exit button. And I'm not even talking about 3-rd party ones, either. Browser, Camera, and Maps are perfect examples of apps where I want to be able to close them and have the process (unless it's in use by something else) to close and go away. In browser, the only way to do this is to press back through however many pages I've surfed, and who in their right mind would want to do that? Same for camera (only 4 presses usually) and Maps (4 also). Why? Give me a sane button to close an app out when I'm done with it and conserve battery power. Forget memory. I want the phone to last a little while…

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/sleepykit sleepykit

    My problem with not using a task killer is that some applications don't really have an exit button. And I'm not even talking about 3-rd party ones, either. Browser, Camera, and Maps are perfect examples of apps where I want to be able to close them and have the process (unless it's in use by something else) to close and go away. In browser, the only way to do this is to press back through however many pages I've surfed, and who in their right mind would want to do that? Same for camera (only 4 presses usually) and Maps (4 also). Why? Give me a sane button to close an app out when I'm done with it and conserve battery power. Forget memory. I want the phone to last a little while…

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04387239322188856822 Rich

    I dunno. I think I'll give up on task killing as soon as one of the following is true:1. No apps I use launch services that I don't want running. That is, they either don't launch services, or they ALL make them configurable.2. The Android OS gives me the ability to deny individual apps the ability to run services, while still installing/running the app otherwise.Until then, I'll be happily killing away. Otherwise, the OS will be giving services I don't want running priority over activities I've temporarily switched away from but which I want to return to. That's just the wrong decision, and Android gives me now way to correct this otherwise.If you're a developer and you're tired of errors due to services going down, then don't make your software depend on services. If your software isn't on my screen, I don't want it running, period. If you want to provide some auto-update feature, that is fine – but make it an option.Sooner or later somebody will make a patched Android distro that hacks the API to tell your app that the services are running just file, while silently not launching them. At least now with the error reports you get you have half a chance of debugging the problem…

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04387239322188856822 Rich

    I dunno. I think I'll give up on task killing as soon as one of the following is true:1. No apps I use launch services that I don't want running. That is, they either don't launch services, or they ALL make them configurable.2. The Android OS gives me the ability to deny individual apps the ability to run services, while still installing/running the app otherwise.Until then, I'll be happily killing away. Otherwise, the OS will be giving services I don't want running priority over activities I've temporarily switched away from but which I want to return to. That's just the wrong decision, and Android gives me now way to correct this otherwise.If you're a developer and you're tired of errors due to services going down, then don't make your software depend on services. If your software isn't on my screen, I don't want it running, period. If you want to provide some auto-update feature, that is fine – but make it an option.Sooner or later somebody will make a patched Android distro that hacks the API to tell your app that the services are running just file, while silently not launching them. At least now with the error reports you get you have half a chance of debugging the problem…

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04387239322188856822 Rich

    I dunno. I think I'll give up on task killing as soon as one of the following is true:

    1. No apps I use launch services that I don't want running. That is, they either don't launch services, or they ALL make them configurable.

    2. The Android OS gives me the ability to deny individual apps the ability to run services, while still installing/running the app otherwise.

    Until then, I'll be happily killing away. Otherwise, the OS will be giving services I don't want running priority over activities I've temporarily switched away from but which I want to return to. That's just the wrong decision, and Android gives me now way to correct this otherwise.

    If you're a developer and you're tired of errors due to services going down, then don't make your software depend on services. If your software isn't on my screen, I don't want it running, period. If you want to provide some auto-update feature, that is fine – but make it an option.

    Sooner or later somebody will make a patched Android distro that hacks the API to tell your app that the services are running just file, while silently not launching them. At least now with the error reports you get you have half a chance of debugging the problem…

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/06398593481678755925 Russell Holly

    I really appreciate all the feedback here everyone! I would typically address everyone here individually but instead i will just thank you all here. To those that did not quite read my article, and as such are raising arguments that were already resolved, I'm sorry I was not clear enough, but I will tell you what: you meet my challenge for 1 week, and if you are satisfied that I am wrong, I will use your task killer of choice, and give a full review of the results. Email me russell at thedroidguy.com

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/06398593481678755925 Russell Holly

    I really appreciate all the feedback here everyone! I would typically address everyone here individually but instead i will just thank you all here. To those that did not quite read my article, and as such are raising arguments that were already resolved, I'm sorry I was not clear enough, but I will tell you what: you meet my challenge for 1 week, and if you are satisfied that I am wrong, I will use your task killer of choice, and give a full review of the results. Email me russell at thedroidguy.com

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/06398593481678755925 Russell Holly

    I really appreciate all the feedback here everyone! I would typically address everyone here individually but instead i will just thank you all here. To those that did not quite read my article, and as such are raising arguments that were already resolved, I'm sorry I was not clear enough, but I will tell you what: you meet my challenge for 1 week, and if you are satisfied that I am wrong, I will use your task killer of choice, and give a full review of the results. Email me russell at thedroidguy.com

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09677085882016016397 Lars

    Sometimes, I'll notice 3 instances of Maps running. I'll kill 2 and leave one and my phone runs better. I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm not using any custom kernel. Just a stock Donut kernel with root injection.At any rate, I've had issues with my phone and never liked using task killers. So, I've given it more than a week and I can tell you, I have better luck with Task Manager by Adao Team. Sure, some apps launch faster without the task killer because they're cached, but it's obvious that my phone will interact with the app in the foreground much better if I clear all the b/g apps.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09677085882016016397 Lars

    Sometimes, I'll notice 3 instances of Maps running. I'll kill 2 and leave one and my phone runs better. I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm not using any custom kernel. Just a stock Donut kernel with root injection.At any rate, I've had issues with my phone and never liked using task killers. So, I've given it more than a week and I can tell you, I have better luck with Task Manager by Adao Team. Sure, some apps launch faster without the task killer because they're cached, but it's obvious that my phone will interact with the app in the foreground much better if I clear all the b/g apps.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09677085882016016397 Lars

    Sometimes, I'll notice 3 instances of Maps running. I'll kill 2 and leave one and my phone runs better. I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm not using any custom kernel. Just a stock Donut kernel with root injection.

    At any rate, I've had issues with my phone and never liked using task killers. So, I've given it more than a week and I can tell you, I have better luck with Task Manager by Adao Team. Sure, some apps launch faster without the task killer because they're cached, but it's obvious that my phone will interact with the app in the foreground much better if I clear all the b/g apps.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09677085882016016397 Lars

    BTW, great article. :-)

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09677085882016016397 Lars

    BTW, great article. :-)

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/09677085882016016397 Lars

    BTW, great article. :-)

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04407761824782644198 nathan

    I was told the same thing last night so I did what my bro said and took down the task panel. Last night I put the phone on the charger when I went to bed and 10 hours later it still wasn't charged. It finally charged after about 14 hours total. But then I got a text and noticed that it went from fully charged (green LED) to charging (red LED)!!! From a single text while it was still on the charger. WTF!?!?! Someone please tell me this will get better.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04407761824782644198 nathan

    I was told the same thing last night so I did what my bro said and took down the task panel. Last night I put the phone on the charger when I went to bed and 10 hours later it still wasn't charged. It finally charged after about 14 hours total. But then I got a text and noticed that it went from fully charged (green LED) to charging (red LED)!!! From a single text while it was still on the charger. WTF!?!?! Someone please tell me this will get better.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/04407761824782644198 nathan

    I was told the same thing last night so I did what my bro said and took down the task panel. Last night I put the phone on the charger when I went to bed and 10 hours later it still wasn't charged. It finally charged after about 14 hours total. But then I got a text and noticed that it went from fully charged (green LED) to charging (red LED)!!! From a single text while it was still on the charger. WTF!?!?! Someone please tell me this will get better.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/08762722217934510083 ts_mpls

    Like others here, I was using Advanced Task Killer not for memory but to save battery on my Evo. So because of writeups like this, I've switched to using JuiceDefender. It doesn't smack apps but it does (in my opinion) safer things like only enabling data at regular intervals while the screen is locked.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/08762722217934510083 ts_mpls

    Like others here, I was using Advanced Task Killer not for memory but to save battery on my Evo. So because of writeups like this, I've switched to using JuiceDefender. It doesn't smack apps but it does (in my opinion) safer things like only enabling data at regular intervals while the screen is locked.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/08762722217934510083 ts_mpls

    Like others here, I was using Advanced Task Killer not for memory but to save battery on my Evo. So because of writeups like this, I've switched to using JuiceDefender. It doesn't smack apps but it does (in my opinion) safer things like only enabling data at regular intervals while the screen is locked.

  • Ryo

    @sleepykitAndroid is not meant to have an exit button. It's a different design. If Android needs memory, it closes the tasks marked as inactive itself. It's just like the STOP buton on modern players…it's not there! There is only a pause button.You can check it yourself. Open an app like the browser. surf a site. Now use the home button to go back. Long-press home again, and chosse browser…it's quite fast and the site you surfed is still there. Now home button again, and start 2 or 3 memory intensive apps (depends on your phone how many free mem you have). Now long-press home button again and you see, the app starts from scratch. It takes a while for the site to show up.Like in the diagram above, Android handles it. There is no need for exit an app. Unless…well, unless some idiot programmer needs to think it's app is so important that it needs to stay in the background forever and calls routines to signal Android: "I'm active, don't shut me down". These are terrible apps and usually the ones who drains your battery and making your phone really slow while hogging your phone resources. There is only one solution: Delete such apps, it's crapware!

  • Ryo

    @sleepykitAndroid is not meant to have an exit button. It's a different design. If Android needs memory, it closes the tasks marked as inactive itself. It's just like the STOP buton on modern players…it's not there! There is only a pause button.You can check it yourself. Open an app like the browser. surf a site. Now use the home button to go back. Long-press home again, and chosse browser…it's quite fast and the site you surfed is still there. Now home button again, and start 2 or 3 memory intensive apps (depends on your phone how many free mem you have). Now long-press home button again and you see, the app starts from scratch. It takes a while for the site to show up.Like in the diagram above, Android handles it. There is no need for exit an app. Unless…well, unless some idiot programmer needs to think it's app is so important that it needs to stay in the background forever and calls routines to signal Android: "I'm active, don't shut me down". These are terrible apps and usually the ones who drains your battery and making your phone really slow while hogging your phone resources. There is only one solution: Delete such apps, it's crapware!

  • Ryo

    @sleepykit
    Android is not meant to have an exit button. It's a different design. If Android needs memory, it closes the tasks marked as inactive itself. It's just like the STOP buton on modern players…it's not there! There is only a pause button.
    You can check it yourself. Open an app like the browser. surf a site. Now use the home button to go back. Long-press home again, and chosse browser…it's quite fast and the site you surfed is still there. Now home button again, and start 2 or 3 memory intensive apps (depends on your phone how many free mem you have). Now long-press home button again and you see, the app starts from scratch. It takes a while for the site to show up.
    Like in the diagram above, Android handles it. There is no need for exit an app. Unless…well, unless some idiot programmer needs to think it's app is so important that it needs to stay in the background forever and calls routines to signal Android: "I'm active, don't shut me down". These are terrible apps and usually the ones who drains your battery and making your phone really slow while hogging your phone resources. There is only one solution: Delete such apps, it's crapware!

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/07099470331493953887 Donald

    I have a situation that occurs once in a while when my home screen won't display for 10+ minutes, I have even been patient enough to wait over 2 hours for it to show up before rebooting and installing advanced task manager. Now when my desktop won't display I open the drawer, open my task manager application, kill what ever random apps appear. Suddenly my desktop appears. What can I do without the use of a task manager to get my home screen to display?

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/07099470331493953887 Donald

    I have a situation that occurs once in a while when my home screen won't display for 10+ minutes, I have even been patient enough to wait over 2 hours for it to show up before rebooting and installing advanced task manager. Now when my desktop won't display I open the drawer, open my task manager application, kill what ever random apps appear. Suddenly my desktop appears. What can I do without the use of a task manager to get my home screen to display?

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/07099470331493953887 Donald

    I have a situation that occurs once in a while when my home screen won't display for 10+ minutes, I have even been patient enough to wait over 2 hours for it to show up before rebooting and installing advanced task manager. Now when my desktop won't display I open the drawer, open my task manager application, kill what ever random apps appear. Suddenly my desktop appears. What can I do without the use of a task manager to get my home screen to display?

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/03654892229937491921 Ray Tolley

    I installed gmail on my Desire – and then regretted it – too many calls from the other side of the world when trying to sleep. So, please help, how do I remove gmail from my Desire?

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/03654892229937491921 Ray Tolley

    I installed gmail on my Desire – and then regretted it – too many calls from the other side of the world when trying to sleep. So, please help, how do I remove gmail from my Desire?

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/03654892229937491921 Ray Tolley

    I installed gmail on my Desire – and then regretted it – too many calls from the other side of the world when trying to sleep. So, please help, how do I remove gmail from my Desire?